Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-28661234-20160213000159/@comment-27038933-20160305153745

I don't see how Sorreltail was a mary-sue, she was Leafpool's friend, stuck to the code, had suspicions of Mothwing, and had to deal with having her warrior ceremony get pushed back because she got hurt. So she managed to find love in Brackenfur, but we didn't see it built up, that's likely just because she wasn't a main character. There's only so much space in a book, but I feel that she had her conflicts, she wasn't super powerful or all important. Sure we didn't see her relationship develop but we don't see many relationships develop outside of the main cats.

As for Spottedleaf, the biggest issue I have is that she and Firestar fell in love at first sight and Spottedleaf always seemed a bit too perfect at times. Always having ThunderClan interests at heart, always being the cat that does good, there's never an instance where Spottedleaf does wrong I suppose is what I'm trying to say. The only conflict about her is the conflict she causes between Fire and Sand, and that's not even her conflict. So unfortunately I have to say Spottedleaf is a bit of a mary sue, for the love at first sight and that she always seemed to be the cat who was never 'wrong'.

I mean think about it, Yellowfang, Bluestar and a few other cats in StarClan managed to not always say the write thing or upset the cats, but Spottedleaf always seemed to never be able to do wrong. She was just perfect and kind and right all the time really.

So yeah Spottedleaf is definitely way more a mary sue than sorreltail.